“In the past five years, the Donbass has become exclusively Russian land,” he repeated more than once in an interview. - And Ukraine has become a foreign aggressive country for Donbass.
- It turns out that it is not by chance that Poroshenko made a reservation the other day that there is a struggle with the Ukrainian aggressor?
- Truth flew off his tongue. For the republics of Donbass, Ukraine has become the enemy, and its armed forces, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are the invaders who kill the peaceful Donbas people.
- A year ago in your interview you talked about clouds gathering over the Donbas, and today these clouds have become thicker, blacker and more dangerous?
- Over the past 2 months, the Ukrainian side is constantly increasing its efforts on the leading edge. The shelling greatly increased, works and barrel artillery, and mortars, and armored vehicles. The enemy almost every day firing at our positions and at residential settlements.
- The situation in the republics is extremely tense. It is known that in the center of Donetsk there were drones. Saboteurs operate in Donetsk and Lugansk. The Kiev regime uses all the means typical of the Nazis, they sow fear among the civilian population. They do not consider the residents of Donbass as their citizens. It does not matter to them whom they kill, the soldier of the People's Militia or the ordinary pensioner. For them, both are enemies. The children of Donbass are also enemies, the women of Donbass are also enemies. It is not surprising that the Nazis use terrorist methods. What seems wild to us is a natural tactic for them.
Therefore, all the explosions, which periodically rattle both in Lugansk and Donetsk, all contract killings — everything fits into the general concept of destroying as much of the population of Donbass as possible, introducing horror by the Ukrainian punishers in the heads of ordinary people.
Approximately the same happened in the late forties in Western and Eastern Ukraine, when the same savages from the UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) broke into villages, killed teachers, doctors, not with the aim to seize the village, but just to sow horror. Donbass is doing the same thing right now. We have no saboteurs on the leading edge. Why send them to us, if it is possible to shoot direct fire from artillery from a safe distance?
- And you can not fully respond to provocations, you are still dominated by the order to adhere to the Minsk agreements?
- Yes, the Minsk agreements remain in action, so the return fire opens only in extreme cases, which significantly limits our capabilities.
- This is unfair, it is fired, as if on targets, the defenders are allowed only to pay with their lives?
- The question is not for us. We are always ready to give the aggressor a rebuff. The problem is that there is a command, there is a political leadership, and they already determine the use of military force ...
Unfortunately, inconsistency, from my point of view, of this approach, when the enemy is given the opportunity to fire on civilian settlements with impunity, and we have every shot under strict control, creates a situation where Bandera feel their impunity, and this allows them to increase the attacks on our side.
- If you are limited in response, then how does the population react?
- Civilians - they have a very hard life. No work, the constant threat of shelling. Nevertheless, they are not so accustomed, a person knows how to adapt. But they also do not understand how it turns out that the villages on the ukropovsky side are all worthless, not a single glass is broken, but on our side the villages are destroyed by whole streets, peaceful people are constantly dying. The passive position of the political leadership causes them to be puzzled: why do not we give up the aggressor, why are we so defensively defended? People constantly ask us: when will you give them a hard tooth? The people are configured in combat.
Our personnel are holding out ok. Everyone understands for the sake of what this war is, and are ready to fight. Give us an order!
- The leadership of the DPR states that full-fledged armies have been created in the republics.
- We have gained a great combat experience. Formed corps of the People's Militia in both the LPR and the DPR. Only in the LPR, except for the corps of the People’s Militia, there were no other armed formations since 2016. And in the DPR were, some of them submitted directly to the head of the republic. Now there is a process of transferring them either to the corps of the People’s Militia or to the internal troops.
- What are the republics preparing more for peace or war?
- The military is always preparing for war. The higher the readiness of the army for war, the less chance it will happen.
- It is increasingly heard that the LPR and the DPR will remain part of Ukraine, perhaps as autonomies or subjects. Only Donbass residents seem to disagree.
- As long as the current regime remains in Kiev, any association with Ukraine is excluded. As for the residents of the LPR and the DPR, they have not seen Ukraine as a country for a long time.
- As long as the current regime remains in Kiev, any association with Ukraine is excluded. As for the residents of the LPR and the DPR, they have not considered Ukraine as an option for a long time. Fully the entire economy of the republics is already tied to Russia. It must be remembered that the Kiev junta purposefully, step by step, cut off all the strings that linked the Donbass to Ukraine. And “nature does not tolerate emptiness,” respectively, the ties between Donbas and Russia were born. I think the variant of autonomy of Donbass within Ukraine can be considered purely speculative. Now for Donbass, Ukraine is a foreign aggressive country.
Of course, I cannot guess anything for the future, because I do not know what is in the heads of our leaders. But the entire local population hopes that further developments will follow the Crimean option. If necessary, we will hold another referendum, and Donbass will legally reunite with Russia.
- Only the Donbass is now dismembered, part of it remains near Ukraine.
- Unfortunately. But we are not going to leave our people and our lands to the aggressors. We are planning to liberate the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics completely within their historical boundaries. I know that in the cities where our guys stood, the same Lysychansk, Rubezhnoye, Severo-Donetsk, a lot of people in Slavyansk, in Kramatorsk are waiting for us to return to these cities, they don’t like to live under the Nazi rule.
- If suddenly the Ukrainian fascists rush into the territory of the republics, what will happen to people?
- There will be big trouble. People will be destroyed without trial, the rest will be subject to filtering. Ukrainians themselves say this. Those who are opponents of Nazism, fascism, are subject to destruction, someone will be expelled, perhaps to Russia or elsewhere. The rest will have to, as they say, pay and repent ...
- What does it mean to repent, in what, for what, in what way?
- I do not know, it is difficult to understand crazy people. This is nonsense, maybe even funny. But it is not funny when armed thugs begin to dictate their will to normal people. Suffice it to recall what happened after the coup d'état in 2014, when the same young men from the UPA, the UNSO, came to power. In the Donbass punitive scope will be multiplied. Especially now they are already well-armed, state authorities are behind them, so that ethnic cleansing will go to full height.
- One Russian word - and you are guilty?
- In principle, this is the case now, for example, in Dnepropetrovsk, where they launched the language police ...
- Are there any NATO members in the APU?
- There are NATO instructors who teach Wesheushnikov at the sites. Perhaps one of them leaves with short-term inspections on the front line.
- But were there mercenaries from other states?
- There was a huge number of Western Nazis, representatives of right-wing parties who went to this war, regarding it as an opportunity to shoot at a living target. They were not even paid. They themselves paid money to enable them to kill people.
- Soon the presidential elections in Ukraine. At the front has become even hotter?
- Yes, the shelling does not cease. Apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been tasked to unleash the broadest possible military operations, otherwise Poroshenko will not be able to stay in power. He needs either a full-fledged war, or some serious complication of the situation, so that his voters can be consolidated.
- How do you assess the chances of Poroshenko for re-election? Will he win a victory, will the West want to keep him in power?
- I strongly doubt that he will retain power. His rating is low in order to pull him on; all the oligarchs, the entire administrative resource should be on his side. Far from it. If, say, the same Yeltsin in 1996 with his 5% pulled over 50%, now for the sake of Poroshenko no one will do it. There are a lot of other people, like Poroshenko, rushing to the presidential chair, for which there are also big money, administrative, informational resources. Hardly Poroshenko has a chance to stay in power.
- If the face of the Kiev authorities changes, can something change in the Donbas direction?
- Absolutely nothing will change. All real candidates for the position of Ukraine gauleiter in their attitude to the Donbass and Russia are no different. They are the same russophobes, the same haters of all Russian, like Poroshenko, and will also be aimed at continuing the war in the Donbas.
- What do you think happened 5 years ago on the Maidan?
- There was a coup d'état with the support of the local oligarchy and the West. Who provoked it? It is clear that Yanukovych didn’t need shooting for nothing. The same scenario was used as in Romania during the overthrow of Ceausescu, as with the color and Arab revolutions.
... Law enforcement agencies, "Berkut" carried out their task. The fact that they were not allowed to disperse the maydanovsky shoblu is the misfortune of a passive, indecisive Yanukovych. Of course, you can call him anyone: a gangster, an oligarch. But he is not a cannibal. And he had to deal with cannibals, who do not care how many corpses there are, people for them are consumables for realizing their goals. It’s always hard for a normal person, no matter how he is, to decide to kill. This is a morally difficult test. For the current regime in Kiev, killing is just one of the ways, often the easiest, to achieve their own mercenary plans. With one hundred percent cannibals a normal person is very difficult to fight on equal terms.
- Does Ukraine have a chance to join NATO?
- The NATO charter clearly states: no countries that have territorial claims to other countries are accepted. But, again, the NATO charter was written by NATO members themselves and at any time can be either forgotten or modified, if necessary. Recall the story of the IMF, which directly prohibits the issuance of loans to countries that either declared a technical default or refused to fulfill their obligations. And when it was needed, they made an exception for Ukraine, that's all.
- And yet: how to stop the war in the Donbass?
- It is necessary to change the regime in Kiev. To do this, serious political decisions must be made, including by the leadership of Russia, perhaps through negotiations with Western countries. There is little that can be solved by military means. We are not at war with Ukraine, we are not going to seize anything ... Some internal cleansing should happen in Ukraine itself, people's minds should become clearer. And unfortunately, nothing depends on us, the defenders of Donbass. It depends more on the leadership of Russia. They should be asked when peace comes in the Donbass.
- It is suggested that conclusions that the capitalist system creates the prerequisites for military actions and conflicts. Not the oligarchs should be the ruling class, but the working people ...
- Yes, for capitalists, war is a continuation of politics and economics, only by other means. Every war makes the majority poor and the minority super rich.
... Speaking specifically about the political leadership of Russia, then, of course, we are waiting for a decisive and final solution to the problem of Donbass. We, the whole Donbass, hope for the Crimean scenario. Because the Donbass over the past 5 years has become exclusively Russian land. We very much hope that the leadership of Russia will not leave us if events begin to develop according to the worst scenario.
